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PRODs[edit]

Hi Habst. Not sure if you're interested, but some Olympians outside of athletics have been PRODed by the same editor. If you have the time, I'd appreciate if you could see if you could find anything on them (I will look for sources as well). See:

You don't have to, but I just thought I'd drop you a note as you seem to have an outstanding ability at finding sources for athletes like these. BeanieFan11 (talk) 16:21, 13 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @BeanieFan11, thank you for finding these and ordering them from soonest to latest expiry. I'm going to a Wikipedia day event tomorrow with open editing so I'll see if I can work on them then, and maybe recruit some to our cause . --Habst (talk) 16:52, 13 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

AFDs[edit]

Hi Habst. I greatly appreciate your attempts to save athletes from AFD, but I would recommend not over-commenting (e.g. responding to every comment that does not agree with your opinion, especially if its an individual vote that is not replying to you). Its tempting, but try to just say your piece in a few comments with maybe 1-2 rebuttals to other votes if you really think it necessary (but I would not do it every time), as some consider your current comments at AFDs to be WP:BLUDGEONING. Just some advice. BeanieFan11 (talk) 16:52, 29 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • I would also recommend just going for the ones that have in-depth coverage, unless you can find a really strong argument otherwise to keep it (e.g. Abdou Manzo being a three-time Olympian who's called a "glory of Nigerien athletics" is one; whereas Dagiero Dagiero, for competing poorly at the 2015 World Championships on a quota, not so much). BeanieFan11 (talk) 16:57, 29 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @BeanieFan11, thank you for your kind message, I appreciate your opinion. I will step back and consider what you have said for future discussions. --Habst (talk) 19:28, 29 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Niger[edit]

One way we may be able to get Kimba saved would be to get in contact to some media source in Niger (they would probably know whether he's been significantly covered). I, personally, am not sure exactly how we would do this, but just throwing out an idea. BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:39, 1 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@BeanieFan11, I appreciate your willingness to save this article. Okay, let's try.
I found this death announcement on Facebook which has 70 comments. I also reached out to WP:WikiProject Niger here: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Niger#Sources for Nigerien newspapers from the early 1990s to 2013?.
I'll continue to look into this. Thank you, --Habst (talk) 01:08, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I also contacted the author of the German Wikipedia article on Kimba, here: de:Benutzer_Diskussion:Funke#Sources_for_Boureima_Kimba. I saw that this person had created many articles for people from Niger, so maybe they have some knowledge as well. --Habst (talk) 01:23, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Antoine Nkounkou[edit]

Can you find anything on this guy? Thanks, BeanieFan11 (talk) 13:24, 8 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the heads up. There's some ambiguity on this person, as Tilastopaja has him listed as Antoine Kiakouama with the same 13 Sep 1948 DOB, but Kiakouama's errata at Olympedia says that may be a mistake. Then there is doubt if any results on "Antoine Ntsana" are for Antoine Nkounkou or Kiakouama, and perhaps some of the results under Kiakouama's name (he is more accomplished) actually belong to Nkounkou...
In theory, the deletion process on Wikipedia should reward such ambiguities, because we can't prove that the results listed under "Antoine Ntsana" or "Antoine Kiakouama" aren't for the deletion subject. As far as newspapers go – Congo and Niger are difficult subjects to research, I haven't yet given up on Kimba above and I do believe that news coverage must exist somewhere. I will try to look into it further. --Habst (talk) 14:28, 8 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That's confusing...as for Kimba, it looks like it'll be moved to my userspace so we have unlimited time to look. Maybe we could find some way to contact the Niger Express or Le'Sahel (two Nigerien newspapers)? There's a good chance the Nigerien media would know how notable he was. BeanieFan11 (talk) 14:33, 8 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Invitation to join New pages patrol[edit]

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Speedy deletion nomination of Category:2023 in Castile and León[edit]

A tag has been placed on Category:2023 in Castile and León indicating that it is currently empty, and is not a disambiguation category, a category redirect, a featured topics category, under discussion at Categories for discussion, or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion. If it remains empty for seven days or more, it may be deleted under section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and removing the speedy deletion tag. Liz Read! Talk! 01:14, 29 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Habst,
I see you just created this category. But our Empty Categories List gets issued at 01:02 UTC and it appeared on it. You have a week to assign an article to it so it is not in imminent danger of being deleted. Just thought I'd leave you a note. Liz Read! Talk! 01:16, 29 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Liz, thank you for the note, I filled it with 2023 Cross de Atapuerca and removed the tag. --Habst (talk) 13:25, 29 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2023 Mediterranean Athletics U23 Indoor Championships – Results moved to draftspace[edit]

Thanks for your contributions to 2023 Mediterranean Athletics U23 Indoor Championships – Results. Unfortunately, I do not think it is ready for publishing at this time because it has no sources. I have converted your article to a draft which you can improve, undisturbed for a while.

Please see more information at Help:Unreviewed new page. When the article is ready for publication, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page OR move the page back. JoeNMLC (talk) 21:03, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@JoeNMLC, sorry it took me so long to get to this. Regarding Special:Diff/1211297070, I don't think that having the Results link under "References" is outside of standard practice for Wikipedia; for hundreds of other nearly identical examples, see insource:"reflist results" athletics. So I reverted that edit, but I am open to hearing other solutions.
Because the Results link counts as a source then, I don't think it's unsourced. There is of course lots of GNG coverage of the 2023 Mediterranean U23 Championships, for example at [1]. But that coverage belongs on the parent article 2023 Mediterranean Athletics U23 Indoor Championships, not the results article. The practice of having separate results articles is longstanding, see for example Talk:2018 Mediterranean Athletics U23 Championships#Proposed merger for a justification of this by another editor.
So, I'll move it back to mainspace. We can discuss further on the talk page of the article on how best to improve it. Thank you, --Habst (talk) 15:17, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Habst - see article for added tag and change. Regards, JoeNMLC (talk) 15:29, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@JoeNMLC, thanks, I reverted Special:Diff/1212575584 per the results at insource:"reflist results" athletics but I will leave {{No footnotes}}. --Habst (talk) 15:39, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks - still learning something new every day, liking Wikipedia. Cheers! JoeNMLC (talk) 15:43, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Joseph Otterbeen[edit]

Thanks very much for all your work on this at AfD, but I wonder whether you might add some of your findings to the article? Otherwise they'll be lost to sight once the AfD closes. Best wishes, Ingratis (talk) 18:54, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Ingratis, thanks, I would love to add the findings. The issue is all the source material is in Dutch and I don't know Dutch, and KBR.be doesn't provide any OCR text to copy/paste for machine translation. I'll see if I can get a screenshot and OCR it through an external service to get a good translation. --Habst (talk) 20:37, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Ingratis I wrote a script to download and patch together the scan and uploaded it to Commons here, but I can't seem to get any OCR program (tried GPT and Tesseract) to recognize the text. --Habst (talk) 00:55, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, I just learned about https://ocr.wmcloud.org and it seems to work pretty well. I expanded the article with what I could, though there are a few more articles to investigate. --Habst (talk) 01:23, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry for pressing you on this - I hadn't realised that you didn't speak Dutch. I'm impressed beyond belief at all the work you've put in for this - staggering! Barnstars don't seem adequate (and not everyone likes them particularly) but they're more than deserved:

The Barnstar of Diligence
Thank you for your hard work and persistence in tracking down and making available the sources necessary to save this (and many other) articles! Ingratis (talk) 11:07, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The Barnstar of Diplomacy
For your continuing restraint and courtesy in dealing with even the most obdurate and stiff-necked deletionists! Ingratis (talk) 11:07, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Ingratis, thank you for the compliments, it means a lot coming from you as I greatly appreciate your work here. I hope you don't mind that I removed the comment from the second barnstar in my barnstar list, as I don't really agree with the language. Maybe that's just me being too diplomatic Cheers! --Habst (talk) 12:52, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for your very kind remark! I'm sorry about the undiplomatic comment (more diplomatic though than some earlier versions) - if it helps, an alt version would be: "For your continuing restraint and courtesy in sports AfD discussions". All best, Ingratis (talk) 17:34, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

New page reviewer granted[edit]

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Article page move[edit]

Hello, Habst,

Please do not move articles that are in the midst of an open AFD discussion. XFDcloser, the editing tool closers use, doesn't understand when the article title on the AFD discussion is different that the page title on a moved article. It creates additional work for a closer who might be reviewing dozens of open AFD discussions. If an article is Kept, feel free to move the article to a more appropriate page title but please just wait until the discussion has been closed. Thank you. Liz Read! Talk! 00:31, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Liz, thank you for the heads up. Is this really true? I just tested a similar scenario on the test wiki, and I get the following message (see thumb) from XFDcloser which would indicate this should be handled.
Out of an abundance of caution, I won't redirect AFD pages until I'm sure everything is working. But if it isn't, I'm open to making a PR to https://github.com/wikimedia-gadgets/xfdcloser to fix the issue so we won't have to work around it. Thanks, --Habst (talk) 13:55, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

New Pages Patrol newsletter April 2024[edit]

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Category:2019 World Athletics Cross Country Championships[edit]

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@Liz,  Done at all others I created (Special:Diff/1217096161, Special:Diff/1217096192, Special:Diff/1217096244, Special:Diff/=1217096309, Special:Diff/1217096328, and Special:Diff/1217096349), thanks. --Habst (talk) 20:32, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

DYK nomination of Mounir Akbache[edit]

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Category:American people of Zimbabwean descent by occupation has been nominated for merging[edit]

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Scovia Ayikoru[edit]

Why redirect to one of several competitions Ayikoru participated in? This way, the link will be blue everywhere, and people won't see that the article needs creating. Geschichte (talk) 23:03, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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